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Post by Windows 10-7 on Sept 10, 2022 8:07:11 GMT -8
Forked from Luna10 by vprvnc on deviantart! Really wanted a Royale Noir theme so started messing around, I don't have much experience with theming, but while messing around for a few hours, I got a decent look! The borders are definitely too thick, not sure how to fix that yet, but i'll play around some more.
programs: MsstyleBuilder/BasicThemer2 Resources extracted from official Royale Noir theme (edited by me) by Microsoft
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2022 9:09:24 GMT -8
Looks good. I believe you can change the border size with Winaero Tweaker.
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Post by Windows 10-7 on Sept 10, 2022 20:30:26 GMT -8
Thank you! After many hours of stress, and pulling the hair off my bald head, these are my results! Without BasicThemer2 and WITH BasicThemer2, I finally figured out how to change the font color! I had alot of trouble with explorer, and still some problems with the minimize button, im sure there are some inaccurate colors but i'm quite proud of this!
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Sept 11, 2022 1:36:00 GMT -8
Thank you! After many hours of stress, and pulling the hair off my bald head, these are my results! Without BasicThemer2 and WITH BasicThemer2, I finally figured out how to change the font color! I had alot of trouble with explorer, and still some problems with the minimize button, im sure there are some inaccurate colors but i'm quite proud of this!
Wel done, it's great ! Are you planning to publish the visual style ? Personally, I might make a Royal blue style and especially a Royal Embedded style when I have time (but if you want to make them don't hesitate). I just have one question, is it normal for the minimize window button to be black ? |
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Post by Windows 10-7 on Sept 11, 2022 8:53:08 GMT -8
Not sure? I'll look into it, was really tired last night and didn't bother to fix it
I'd really like to release this? Not many themes out there for the variations of luna,
but I need vprvnc's (deviantart) permission. If I get the okay, ill post immediately!
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Sept 11, 2022 9:09:04 GMT -8
Not sure? I'll look into it, was really tired last night and didn't bother to fix it
I'd really like to release this? Not many themes out there for the variations of luna,
but I need vprvnc's (deviantart) permission. If I get the okay, ill post immediately!
OK. If the permission does not arrive, I can insist on DeviantArt if you want. In general, this is the whole problem of the styles published on DeviantArt ; authors "overprotect" their creations, because the licenses are not clear, and do not effectively protect the creators. Some artists (like niivu) started to host their styles on GitHub, it seems like a good idea to me. |
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Post by craft on Sept 11, 2022 9:15:51 GMT -8
Not sure? I'll look into it, was really tired last night and didn't bother to fix it
I'd really like to release this? Not many themes out there for the variations of luna,
but I need vprvnc's (deviantart) permission. If I get the okay, ill post immediately!
But isn't that just a port of Luna still Ms owns the original style |
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Post by Windows 10-7 on Sept 11, 2022 9:53:17 GMT -8
Yeah, but some resources were remade from scratch by them, though I did recreate them in style of RoyaleNoir, i'd just feel dirty if I didn't get permission
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Post by Windows 10-7 on Sept 11, 2022 23:03:43 GMT -8
UPDATE: Fixed the caption buttons!
Pictured: Active/Inactive buttons Maximized, and unmaximized(?)
Not great at putting pictures together, but wanted to show how everything looked : )
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Post by nonameneeded on Sept 12, 2022 5:32:43 GMT -8
I know that's not really the topic here but if it is possible to get normally sized min/max/close buttons with Basic Themer, shouldn't it be possible to get a classic theme out of something like this with Basic Themer: github.com/malvinas2/ClassicThemeForWindows10The main problem with this theme are the gigantic titlebar buttons but if Basic Themer can mitigate that problem....? |
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Post by Windows 10-7 on Sept 13, 2022 1:55:27 GMT -8
I could try it? I don't know where the classic resources are as i've never really played with the classic theme before.
But I did give Royale theme a try! I mainly just replaced the captions, borders, etc, to get the smaller captions, i've had to edit the caption textures, so i'm hoping it's not too noticeable. Wanted more visuals so I paired with Open Shell skin + Retrobar
Forked from Luna10/Royale Noir
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Sept 13, 2022 6:57:57 GMT -8
I could try it? I don't know where the classic resources are as i've never really played with the classic theme before.
But I did give Royale theme a try! I mainly just replaced the captions, borders, etc, to get the smaller captions, i've had to edit the caption textures, so i'm hoping it's not too noticeable. Wanted more visuals so I paired with Open Shell skin + Retrobar
Forked from Luna10/Royale Noir
It works great too! Do you plan to create a Royal Embedded version ? As for the classic resources, the resources of the TRUE classic theme (and not the name of the fake classic theme of malvinas2) are drawn dynamically by gdi32.dll is win32k.sys. Some vector resources are stored in the marlett.ttf font (such as modernUI icons with the font segoemdl2assets.ttf, like what, the current and web designers did not invent anything). |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Sept 13, 2022 7:03:16 GMT -8
I know that's not really the topic here but if it is possible to get normally sized min/max/close buttons with Basic Themer, shouldn't it be possible to get a classic theme out of something like this with Basic Themer: github.com/malvinas2/ClassicThemeForWindows10The main problem with this theme are the gigantic titlebar buttons but if Basic Themer can mitigate that problem....? I don't understand this desire to use a visual style instead of the true classic theme. The classic theme without color customization is no longer interesting. Also, using the true classic theme is no more of a problem than using a custom visual style. UWP apps don't use visual styles anyway, but draw their own controls. The visual style engine has an interest in styles such as those made, for example, by Windows 10-7 |
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Post by nonameneeded on Sept 13, 2022 9:46:59 GMT -8
I could try it? I don't know where the classic resources are as i've never really played with the classic theme before. The resources are on the github page, I assume.
I don't know where exactly, though.
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Post by nonameneeded on Sept 13, 2022 9:53:27 GMT -8
I know that's not really the topic here but if it is possible to get normally sized min/max/close buttons with Basic Themer, shouldn't it be possible to get a classic theme out of something like this with Basic Themer: github.com/malvinas2/ClassicThemeForWindows10The main problem with this theme are the gigantic titlebar buttons but if Basic Themer can mitigate that problem....? I don't understand this desire to use a visual style instead of the true classic theme. The classic theme without color customization is no longer interesting. Also, using the true classic theme is no more of a problem than using a custom visual style. UWP apps don't use visual styles anyway, but draw their own controls. The visual style engine has an interest in styles such as those made, for example, by Windows 10-7 It's no problem to use the original classic theme? There are threads here with gazillions of pages that deal with problems related to the classic theme on Windows 10, because it seems to be a problem. Many things don't work (task manager), there are workarounds to disable transparent title bars, there are workarounds to use client edge, there are workarounds to get a decent task bar, there are workarounds to enable normal context menus etc.
I know that a visual style can't be colorized easily (I guess you would have to colorize the bitmaps it uses manually), but it's a lot easier to apply and it just works, without any hassle.
I do understand that some people here change their classic theme's colors on a regular basis and for them a visual style wouldn't be the right thing, but there are also others (like me) who've used the same colors for 20 years or so, so for people like me an easy to apply visual theme that looks like the classic theme (without any additional crap software like Windowblinds) would be a great solution.
Not for others, I understand that.
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Post by s34642542 on Sept 13, 2022 9:58:50 GMT -8
UPDATE: Fixed the caption buttons!
Pictured: Active/Inactive buttons Maximized, and unmaximized(?)
Not great at putting pictures together, but wanted to show how everything looked : )
This looks really good. Are you gonna post the theme for us to try out? |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Sept 13, 2022 10:08:05 GMT -8
It's no problem to use the original classic theme? There are threads here with gazillions of pages that deal with problems related to the classic theme on Windows 10, because it seems to be a problem. Many things don't work (task manager), there are workarounds to disable transparent title bars, there are workarounds to use client edge, there are workarounds to get a decent task bar, there are workarounds to enable normal context menus etc.
I know that a visual style can't be colorized easily (I guess you would have to colorize the bitmaps it uses manually), but it's a lot easier to apply and it just works, without any hassle.
I do understand that some people here change their classic theme's colors on a regular basis and for them a visual style wouldn't be the right thing, but there are also others (like me) who've used the same colors for 20 years or so, so for people like me an easy to apply visual theme that looks like the classic theme (without any additional crap software like Windowblinds) would be a great solution.
Not for others, I understand that. But in fact, it already takes many workarounds to use custom visual styles. I don't see how a few more workarounds would be problematic. For example, you talk about the problem of transparent title bars. Well, the problem also arises with BasicThemer2. The only additional workarounds with true classic themes are: - Task Manager (need to install classic task manager, just run the installer) - Taskbar (you need ExplorerPatcher + OpenShell with custom DLL) I will soon ask Valinet to dissociate certain options from each other, and I am working on the taskbar in high contrast mode. - File exeplorer and taskbar context menus (just install ExplorerPatcher and check an option) - Some pages of the control panel ( R.O.B. had made a correction for Windows 8, it just needs to be updated for Windows 10) And THAT'S ALL for the corrections necessary for the proper functioning of only the classic theme. Other fixes are either cosmetic or needed for custom visual styles as well.
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Sept 13, 2022 10:18:23 GMT -8
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Post by nonameneeded on Sept 13, 2022 10:21:15 GMT -8
I don't know if the problem also occurs with Basic Themer but even if it does there's still a lot less work to do and workarounds to apply to get everything right.
You need uxthemepatcher, Basic Themer, the actual theme and that's about it.
No additional stuff to start with Windows, no problems with not working software, no additional software running in Windows all the time, it should just work as it is.
Would be a lot easier, at least for someone like me who doesn't intend to change theme colors all the time.
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Sept 13, 2022 11:29:25 GMT -8
I don't know if the problem also occurs with Basic Themer but even if it does there's still a lot less work to do and workarounds to apply to get everything right. You need uxthemepatcher, Basic Themer, the actual theme and that's about it. No additional stuff to start with Windows, no problems with not working software, no additional software running in Windows all the time, it should just work as it is. Would be a lot easier, at least for someone like me who doesn't intend to change theme colors all the time. It's wrong. BasicThemer2 runs in the background and should run on startup. You also need to use a tool to disable the File Explorer ribbon. To compare the two minimum requirements: - True classic theme : ClassicThemeTray, or SimpleClassicTheme, at startup (the process does not run in the background, it opens then closes). ExplorerPatcher Any Alternative Task Manager OpenShell with patched startmenu DLL - Fake classic theme : UxThemePatcher or SecureUxTheme BasicThemer2 at startup ExplorerPatcher Big difference indeed. Moreover, I am writing a script to facilitate the installation of the minimal components (and some optional ones). |
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