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Post by oz on Feb 17, 2024 10:42:46 GMT -8
How do you people handle security other than having good internet hygiene?
Antivirus notoriously makes customizing hard and I've heard a lot of people say they just turn defender off. Project 2000 which I'd like to use more, even has defender removed.
When I customize with defender enabled I usually just go and make a lot of exceptions and take files out of quarantine when they end up back there. But it sure is a bit of a hassle. I found that Panda AV doesn't care about modified windows files (which is slightly worrying as far as an AV goes but it has decent enough results on tests so hm) and that can be used instead of defender I guess...
It can be used with project 2000 without problems too, but I wonder if I can get defender back on project 2000 somehow since I trust it more. Is it just some bias that makes me trust it more than Panda? Is anyone familiar with project 2000 to know how defender was removed and know how to restore it, or are there common methods in the scene that might have been used?
How do you people personally think about this, just take the risk because the risk is so small or do you have other workarounds?
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Feb 17, 2024 15:00:40 GMT -8
oz Personally, I left Windows Defender active on my system, and I use Defender Injector to set up an exclusion list. Even if I leave it activated, it doesn't seem very useful to me because it never detects anything; I know what I'm installing, that matters a lot. Malicious attacks often occur with a trapped download, the ways of getting them are often the same. For the rest, I leave the firewall activated, I use NoScript (which is an excellent security tool), I set up redirects to alternative front-ends to avoid trackers (from Youtube, Twitter, Reddit). I use Surun, which I believe improves security compared to UAC. I don't use any remote storage services other than NCloud, and I limit Windows telemetry to the maximum. I don't use any biometric identities, and I almost never log into my Google account or Microsoft account (and I don't have a Facebook and affiliate account).
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Feb 17, 2024 17:30:14 GMT -8
I personally just don't use an antivirus at all. Not only is it easy to avoid malware, but the landscape of malware has shifted in the past decade, so traditional computer viruses just... don't really exist as much as they used to. Most of it targets internet users, and a lot of it is just social engineering in order to hack into someone's accounts or get them to subscribe to spam notifications or something of the sort. Because the risk of infection is so small, I don't find it worthwhile to use one.
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Post by nonameneeded on Feb 17, 2024 19:05:27 GMT -8
On the computer I'm at right now I've deactivated just about anything security-related (except for the firewall). The main reason is that it's an old computer and especially with exploit guard on, the overall performance will slow down significantly. But normally I wouldn't turn everything off, except for updates On Win7 I have no antivirus though (and of course no security updates, since there aren't any), just the firewall and that's it.
The thing is, nothing is absolutely safe and without all the security bells and whistles turned on, you're just a little more unsafe, it's not like hell breaking loose. I even think that some people feel TOO secure and do stupid things because they think they're safe because their antivirus says so.
But the most important thing you could do as far as security is concerned are regular backups of all of your drives. That's all you need, if something goes wrong you can always go "back in time" before whatever happened. That's good enough. At least for personal computers, meaning that if you're the only person using this PC and the only person that might run into problems if something goes wrong. If you're responsible for a big company, your security standards should be higher than that, that's for sure, because if some important data is lost or stuff that no one should see is leaked, backups won't help that much.
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Post by nonameneeded on Feb 17, 2024 20:20:21 GMT -8
Is anyone familiar with project 2000 to know how defender was removed and know how to restore it, or are there common methods in the scene that might have been used? I'm not at all familiar with Project 2000 but as far as I know the most important thing about Defender seems to be msmpeng.exe which is a process that runs all the time. It can be disabled by simply renaming (or deleting) it.
But I don't know how the creators of Project 2000 went about disabling Defender.
However, I personally would rather use an OS that I myself have modified because then I know what's been done and how it's been done and how I can get back to the original state of the OS if I want to.
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