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Post by nonameneeded on Oct 24, 2022 5:53:27 GMT -8
I think, this is a misunderstanding.
ayylmao doesn't want to use the taskbar in a classic theme but he wants to keep the Windows 10 taskbar exactly as it is.
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Post by anixx on Oct 24, 2022 8:51:36 GMT -8
I think, this is a misunderstanding. ayylmao doesn't want to use the taskbar in a classic theme but he wants to keep the Windows 10 taskbar exactly as it is. It is also well possible, just start the taskbar before enabling the classic theme. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Oct 24, 2022 14:30:36 GMT -8
Can anyone share with me if they have any experiance using this themes changes on a surface pro? I want this theme but I notice a lot of changes to make menus look authentic in what information and buttons are available, and while that would be fine and usable on PC I'm not sure its a great thing to do for my surface. I don't mind if my task bar, start menu, context menus, windows, etc, have ribbons and other useful things in them that are modern, I just want the flat color 3d borders and desktop.cpl like ability to color them how I like just as I did as a kid. right now I use my desktop in an unholy combination of Explorer patcher, winclassic, and classic/openshell, as well as a few other tweaks. Believe me its the only way i got anything working on 10. But despite that, I kept the simple icons on the bottom, as well as the larger size of the task bar. I prefer it this way on my larger monitor and the buttons do not look as nice on the task bar but its less crowded. Anybody have any experiance here or advice? My surface uses 11 so this method should be even easier, but I dont really want to make permanent registry edits that will permanently break my surfaces context menus or make it so that it has trouble doing anything important Your problem contains several: First of all, to display certain modern elements, it's quite simple: you just have to skip certain steps. I strongly advise you to use the classic theme over Aerolite.msstyle in high contrast mode, because that will allow you to apply the classic colors on the modern elements and the ribbons (it will be flat, but that's how much even prettier). Regarding the taskbar, I understand your problem, and unfortunately it has no solutions for now, because it is a limitation of ExplorerPatcher. Indeed, ExplorerPatcher does not support the use of the "classic theme" option with hidden labels. You are not the first member of WinClassic to claim this, and I have the same problem as you. I reported the problem to Valinet (the developer of ExplorerPatcher), but he couldn't find a solution ( github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/discussions/900 ). I think that I will soon ask Valinet not to add the functionality, but to add the possibility of using the options contained in "enable Classic Theme mitigations" separately. Which would make it possible to bring the icons of the taskbar back to their default state (which works almost for the classic theme without the labels, with the only default being icons that are a little too tight) while activating the automatic colorization of the taskbar with the color of the ButtonFace value. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Oct 24, 2022 14:33:00 GMT -8
I think, this is a misunderstanding. ayylmao doesn't want to use the taskbar in a classic theme but he wants to keep the Windows 10 taskbar exactly as it is. It is also well possible, just start the taskbar before enabling the classic theme. I don't think that's a very good solution, unfortunately. This enables visual styling in the explorer.exe process, including desktop icons and associated property pages. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Oct 24, 2022 14:50:46 GMT -8
To summarize, here is what I think I will ask Valinet:
Make it possible to activate these three features separately:
- The ClientEdge in File Explorer
- The use of the ButtonFace value color in the taskbar (which uses the patched Open-Shell DLL)
- Modification of the icons of open applications (this only works with the labels displayed)
As for the changes to the notification area (the frame around it and the clock display), I think it's best to tie it to the color feature, or separate that feature as well).
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Post by anixx on Oct 24, 2022 19:17:08 GMT -8
To summarize, here is what I think I will ask Valinet: Make it possible to activate these three features separately: - The ClientEdge in File Explorer - The use of the ButtonFace value color in the taskbar (which uses the patched Open-Shell DLL) - Modification of the icons of open applications (this only works with the labels displayed) As for the changes to the notification area (the frame around it and the clock display), I think it's best to tie it to the color feature, or separate that feature as well). The patched Open-Shell dll is by Vilanet himself. If he could, he would include this feature in EP. |
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Post by travis on Oct 24, 2022 19:44:06 GMT -8
To summarize, here is what I think I will ask Valinet: Make it possible to activate these three features separately: - The ClientEdge in File Explorer - The use of the ButtonFace value color in the taskbar (which uses the patched Open-Shell DLL) - Modification of the icons of open applications (this only works with the labels displayed) As for the changes to the notification area (the frame around it and the clock display), I think it's best to tie it to the color feature, or separate that feature as well). The patched Open-Shell dll is by Vilanet himself. If he could, he would include this feature in EP. Could you tell Vilanet to compile a patched version of the Open-Shell dll for Open-Shell 4.4.180? There's a update I want to use but can't because of the lack of a patched DLL. |
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Post by anixx on Oct 24, 2022 19:45:40 GMT -8
Ask him yourself.
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Post by travis on Oct 24, 2022 19:48:10 GMT -8
Yeah, I don't know how too. The discussions are read-only on the GitHub repo. |
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Post by anixx on Oct 24, 2022 20:03:00 GMT -8
Yeah, I don't know how too. The discussions are read-only on the GitHub repo. The author is present in this thread: |
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Post by ayylmao on Oct 24, 2022 21:15:21 GMT -8
Can anyone share with me if they have any experiance using this themes changes on a surface pro? I want this theme but I notice a lot of changes to make menus look authentic in what information and buttons are available, and while that would be fine and usable on PC I'm not sure its a great thing to do for my surface. I don't mind if my task bar, start menu, context menus, windows, etc, have ribbons and other useful things in them that are modern, I just want the flat color 3d borders and desktop.cpl like ability to color them how I like just as I did as a kid. right now I use my desktop in an unholy combination of Explorer patcher, winclassic, and classic/openshell, as well as a few other tweaks. Believe me its the only way i got anything working on 10. But despite that, I kept the simple icons on the bottom, as well as the larger size of the task bar. I prefer it this way on my larger monitor and the buttons do not look as nice on the task bar but its less crowded. Anybody have any experiance here or advice? My surface uses 11 so this method should be even easier, but I dont really want to make permanent registry edits that will permanently break my surfaces context menus or make it so that it has trouble doing anything important Your problem contains several: First of all, to display certain modern elements, it's quite simple: you just have to skip certain steps. I strongly advise you to use the classic theme over Aerolite.msstyle in high contrast mode, because that will allow you to apply the classic colors on the modern elements and the ribbons (it will be flat, but that's how much even prettier). Regarding the taskbar, I understand your problem, and unfortunately it has no solutions for now, because it is a limitation of ExplorerPatcher. Indeed, ExplorerPatcher does not support the use of the "classic theme" option with hidden labels. You are not the first member of WinClassic to claim this, and I have the same problem as you. I reported the problem to Valinet (the developer of ExplorerPatcher), but he couldn't find a solution ( github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/discussions/900 ). I think that I will soon ask Valinet not to add the functionality, but to add the possibility of using the options contained in "enable Classic Theme mitigations" separately. Which would make it possible to bring the icons of the taskbar back to their default state (which works almost for the classic theme without the labels, with the only default being icons that are a little too tight) while activating the automatic colorization of the taskbar with the color of the ButtonFace value. Well yes, I figured as much, but I dont know which of the steps to skip so I can't really blindly try all of them. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Oct 25, 2022 2:57:36 GMT -8
The patched Open-Shell dll is by Vilanet himself. If he could, he would include this feature in EP. I think for the Open-Shell DLL, I will ask the development team to incorporate the changes as an option in the Open-Shell settings. After all, the code is already written. |
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Post by aldon on Nov 17, 2022 5:28:05 GMT -8
Hello! I have problem with Process Explorer v17.02... (and some other new apps as well). This white background under menu. Is there possibility to fix it somehow? Maybe one of system color could be change? For proper classic theme? Two pics - version 16.32 - OK.   |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Nov 17, 2022 7:01:04 GMT -8
Hello! I have problem with Process Explorer v17.02... (and some other new apps as well). This white background under menu. Is there possibility to fix it somehow? Maybe one of system color could be change? For proper classic theme? Two pics - version 16.32 - OK. This kind of problem is exactly what I fear for the future of the classic theme. What are the other programs concerned ? I think we need to find the culprit compiler. I hope it's not the latest VisualStudio (but I'm afraid it is). |
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Post by aldon on Nov 17, 2022 7:13:00 GMT -8
Thanks for answer OrthodoxWin32 Another is new version of Becky! - very good e-mail client. 'White' is since Ver.2.80.00 (older, Ver.2.75.03 is OK). www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htmBut also Adobe Acrobat and I am afraid more lately updated apps. So yes - it may be compiler...   Maybe we could make petition to them to not destroy background for menu... I meant to VisualStudio devs. Also plz check - Total Commander (ghisler.com) have also this white background, without classic theme - but when applied it is change to the proper one. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Nov 17, 2022 7:24:10 GMT -8
Thanks for answer OrthodoxWin32 Another is new version of Becky! - very good e-mail client. 'White' is since Ver.2.80.00 (older, Ver.2.75.03 is OK). www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htmBut also Adobe Acrobat and I am afraid more lately updated apps. So yes - it may be compiler...   Maybe we could make petition to them to not destroy background for menu... I meant to VisualStudio devs. Also plz check - Total Commander (ghisler.com) have also this white background, without classic theme - but when applied it is change to the proper one. I think we should complain to the developers of Becky!, it may help to learn a little more about the problem. We must see if open-source programs are affected by the problem. For TotalCommander, this might be a good sign, because it means it might be a manifest issue. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Nov 17, 2022 7:32:05 GMT -8
I tried replacing the ProcessExplorer manifest with the TotalCommander one, it doesn't work (no difference seen).
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Post by aldon on Nov 17, 2022 7:38:19 GMT -8
What about older ProcessExplorer 16.32 to be fix for new? I am not programmer, so dunno if possible... :\
Will also check if any opensource app I use have this problem...
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Nov 17, 2022 7:43:03 GMT -8
aldon I think I understood the problem; the new ProcessExplorer contains "dark theme" support normally reserved for UWP apps. If I switch the theme to "dark", the menus become dark. So you this is another sh*t from Microsoft, since "mode" could (and should) be just a visual style. That's how Windows XP worked. I think we need to find a way to break the light/dark mode API in the programs concerned, or even better, in the whole system. EDIT : Knowing that is not the only reason, because the menus are not only the wrong color, but also too large, which I think is awful.
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Post by aldon on Nov 17, 2022 7:46:18 GMT -8
Huh! TYVM for this find!
I've never used dark theme so it is totally unknown matter to me...
Damn - they destroy old good things with ease...
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