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Post by anixx on Jun 30, 2022 14:14:01 GMT -8
You also should install 7+ Taskbar Tweaker (point 15) for the classic taskbar context menu. Did you do this?
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 1, 2022 15:10:59 GMT -8
So I restarted the VM with network acces, which activate Windows Defender, which was nuking the Classic Theme. I managed to get it added as an exclusion, however now when I rght click on the taskbar, I get the thin gray ribbon with no entries in the cntext menu. right clicking n the desktop works fine. any ideas if something else is getting blocked? To add a truly permanent exclusion, I recommend using DefenderExclusionTool : www.sordum.org/10636/defender-exclusion-tool-v1-3/ |
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Post by evnl on Jul 1, 2022 15:36:25 GMT -8
I think I found the reason why I never got this to work before.
In step 6 it says
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]
"Userinit"=C:\Windows\System32\schtasks.exe /run /tn "Classic" but there's also this warning
(!) This does not always get successfully imported, so a manual editing of registry may be needed. (!)
Today I tried installing again and could not get it to work again(on windows 10). Then I tried it under windows 11 and again the same result(mish mesh of half classic half not classic theme). On the clean windows 11 install I checked that registry entry and the needed line was not there.
The entry that was there was this one
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]
"Userinit"="C:\\Windows\\system32\\userinit.exe, which I then changed to
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]
"Userinit"="C:\\Windows\\system32\\userinit.exe,C:\\Windows\\System32\\schtasks.exe /run /tn \"Classic\""
and after some tweaking with explorerpatcher all was working finally.
I then exported the registry entry and noticed the entry I exported uses double backslashes which may be the reason the initial reg file doesn't import correctly. After this I tested on a windows 10 install and the registry file imports right away.
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Post by anixx on Jul 1, 2022 16:18:51 GMT -8
which I then changed to
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]
"Userinit"="C:\\Windows\\system32\\userinit.exe,C:\\Windows\\System32\\schtasks.exe /run /tn \"Classic\""
and after some tweaking with explorerpatcher all was working finally.
This may work, but the configuration in the tutorial ensures that classic theme is enabled before all other apps, not in parallel, thus there should not be userinit call at all in this key. Since the Classic task starts userinit after enabling Classic theme, you will face second start of userinit, which will run shell and startup items second time. |
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Post by anixx on Jul 1, 2022 16:25:24 GMT -8
Ouch, I think the main obstacle for importing was the absence of the backslashes before the quotes! And no overall quotes around the value.
Thanks for drawing my attention to this!
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OS: Windows 10 Pro 22H2
Theme: XP Classic Theme
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
RAM: 16 GB 1333 MHz DDR4
GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 2070 Super
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Post by AnyKey on Jul 1, 2022 21:17:34 GMT -8
The small size of OK and Cancel buttons in message boxes it a Windows issue, promised to be fixed in later builds.  Do you mean this? I feel font size is also small. This issue has been left for about 5 years, but it is a good thing if this got fixed. And where did you hear that? |
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Post by anixx on Jul 2, 2022 0:19:53 GMT -8
No, not this. There are places where it is even worse.
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Post by evnl on Jul 2, 2022 3:08:31 GMT -8
The attached files may be useful, for some reason on one of my win 10 installs I can not use the desk2k.cpl program. It opens but I can't get to the appearance settings. I then set the relevant settings on another machine and exported the themes with the themes2k.exe program. To be clear, these are not full windows 10 or 11 themes, you can only use these themes in the themes2k.exe program from step 10. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 2, 2022 3:42:28 GMT -8
The attached files may be useful, for some reason on one of my win 10 installs I can not use the desk2k.cpl program. It opens but I can't get to the appearance settings. I then set the relevant settings on another machine and exported the themes with the themes2k.exe program. To be clear, these are not full windows 10 or 11 themes, you can only use these themes in the themes2k.exe program from step 10.
The color settings are stored at the key :
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Colors
And the WindowsMetric/Font setting et the key
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop\WindowMetrics
You can also change the settings directly in the registry (except the fonts settings because the keys are binary).
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Post by evnl on Jul 2, 2022 4:35:56 GMT -8
Never heard of those programs, thanks!
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Post by anixx on Jul 3, 2022 1:30:16 GMT -8
One can use this for theme editing as well (the one from Windows NT) ThemeEditor.zip (52.02 KB) |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 3, 2022 3:04:35 GMT -8
One can use this for theme editing as well (the one from Windows NT) <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> The main problem with Desk.CPL is the impossibility of editing the parameters that appeared with Windows XP (Hottracking, Hottrackingcolor, Menubar, Menuhilight), and buttons settings (Buttondkshadow, Bfuttonface, Buttonhilight, Buttonlight, Buttonshadow). The Windows NT 3.51 color control panel allows you to edit the buttons settings. |
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Post by nonameneeded on Jul 3, 2022 4:26:57 GMT -8
One can use this for theme editing as well (the one from Windows NT) <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> The main problem with Desk.CPL is the impossibility of editing the parameters that appeared with Windows XP (Hottracking, Hottrackingcolor, Menubar, Menuhilight), and buttons settings (Buttondkshadow, Bfuttonface, Buttonhilight, Buttonlight, Buttonshadow). The Windows NT 3.51 color control panel allows you to edit the buttons settings. This little program is very useful. It let's you change all these settings (I'm not sure about Windows XP stuff, but that's not very classic anyway)
(you have to use XP compatibility mode though)
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 3, 2022 4:56:16 GMT -8
The main problem with Desk.CPL is the impossibility of editing the parameters that appeared with Windows XP (Hottracking, Hottrackingcolor, Menubar, Menuhilight), and buttons settings (Buttondkshadow, Bfuttonface, Buttonhilight, Buttonlight, Buttonshadow). The Windows NT 3.51 color control panel allows you to edit the buttons settings. This little program is very useful. It let's you change all these settings (I'm not sure about Windows XP stuff, but that's not very classic anyway)
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button>
(you have to use XP compatibility mode though)
Thank you ! For specific parameters for Windows XP, Color Control is too old too, but the window over is better than the Windows NT 3.51 configuration panel. In fact, the Windows XP settings are obviously not born for most of the classic theme scheme. They were added by Microsoft for Luna style, because the Windows XP visual style engine did not support the menus. Afterwards, the support has been added (in Windows Vista), but these additional parameters have remained. The current problem and that if a pre-XP color scheme is applied "as it is", the colors of the menu bar, the selection of the menu elements and the icon selection rectangle remain in their previous state, which is awful. In addition, it is quite possible to create color scheme of the classic theme using these parameters, for example a color scheme with a menu bar color different from the color of the menus. |
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Post by nonameneeded on Jul 4, 2022 10:15:31 GMT -8
My taskbar looks like this.
So, the buttons don't really look like buttons
(it's open shell with the modified dll)
Apart from that: In open/save dialogs there is no contex menu (the menu is just a gray column with no menu entries) even though I've installed Explorer Patcher and the context menus work on the desktop and in normal explorer windows.
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Post by anixx on Jul 4, 2022 12:13:41 GMT -8
Please check in EP seetings, on File Explorer tab, the point "Register as shell extension" should be checked.
Regarding the taskbar buttons, read p.14 of the tutorial.
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 5, 2022 2:07:30 GMT -8
I tried to switch to the LOCAL_MACHINE userinit key to CURRENT_USER, but for some reason, the classic theme is no longer activated at the opening of the session (however, the userinit works, because the desktop is active). I may have found a solution for multi-user support (this is not a very clean solution but it should work). Add a scheduled task at the start of a session without the classic theme, which activates a batch script which renname Classicthemetray.exe to Classicthemetray_old.exe, and a task that makes the opposite of a session with the classic theme.EDIT : Unfortunately, this does not work because the scheduled tasks are not made to manage several user accounts. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 10, 2022 4:26:05 GMT -8
I may have found another technique for multi-user mode: copy classicthemetray.exe several times to each user profile, to the address %userprofile%\classic\classicthemetray.exe.
Unfortunately, I faced a planned task problem, because as soon as I check the box "execute the task even if the user is not connected", the task does not start. I tried to perform the task with the group "Administrators", then with the "Users" group, but that does not work either.
Does anyone have an idea to solve this problem?
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Post by nonameneeded on Jul 13, 2022 11:06:28 GMT -8
This little program is very useful. It let's you change all these settings (I'm not sure about Windows XP stuff, but that's not very classic anyway)
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button>
(you have to use XP compatibility mode though)
Thank you ! For specific parameters for Windows XP, Color Control is too old too, but the window over is better than the Windows NT 3.51 configuration panel. In fact, the Windows XP settings are obviously not born for most of the classic theme scheme. They were added by Microsoft for Luna style, because the Windows XP visual style engine did not support the menus. Afterwards, the support has been added (in Windows Vista), but these additional parameters have remained. The current problem and that if a pre-XP color scheme is applied "as it is", the colors of the menu bar, the selection of the menu elements and the icon selection rectangle remain in their previous state, which is awful. In addition, it is quite possible to create color scheme of the classic theme using these parameters, for example a color scheme with a menu bar color different from the color of the menus. I found another program which can alter windows classic themes (again with 3D shadows etc) and there is also something called hottracking and the menu bar can be colored separately.
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 13, 2022 11:40:53 GMT -8
Thank you ! For specific parameters for Windows XP, Color Control is too old too, but the window over is better than the Windows NT 3.51 configuration panel. In fact, the Windows XP settings are obviously not born for most of the classic theme scheme. They were added by Microsoft for Luna style, because the Windows XP visual style engine did not support the menus. Afterwards, the support has been added (in Windows Vista), but these additional parameters have remained. The current problem and that if a pre-XP color scheme is applied "as it is", the colors of the menu bar, the selection of the menu elements and the icon selection rectangle remain in their previous state, which is awful. In addition, it is quite possible to create color scheme of the classic theme using these parameters, for example a color scheme with a menu bar color different from the color of the menus. I found another program which can alter windows classic themes (again with 3D shadows etc) and there is also something called hottracking and the menu bar can be colored separately.
It's curious, because I have already tried Desktop Architect in the past, and it does not seem to me that it contained the options of Windows XP. Maybe my version was older; I will try this one. EDIT : Desktop Architect actually manages hottracking, but not the elements menubar and menuhilight. Here is what I get by modifying the "menu" item in orange.  |
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