I was able to get this to work in Windows 7 (Even not in classic mode haha) but I'm not sure what option to enable/disable like how tray icons are loaded in WXP, in W7 and later they remember their position, I know CCleaner or a script can reset the systray cache so everytime the computer boots up the cache is cleared I think but atleast I have what I've wanted for years since I had Windows 7! Shame I didn't knew 7+ Taskbar Tweaker back in 2010 xD (Don't know if its doable, disabling the systray's cache so everytime I boot or restart explorer they will appear at the end (I mean on Windows XP, when a program loads the icon appear. But since W7 they remember the position))
Though, I tried on Windows 10, nothing changes at all. Probably something different with W10's explorer, I couldn't make what I've wanted but If I do the same steps as your screen and my attempt on a W7 VM, it does like just expanding rather shrinking like it did in W7. Sadly it does not accept negative values, didn't bother changing the reg entry into something different (aka String or whatever it is)
Much thanks to you guys, something I missed in years! I know its weird for that sort of thing I like that XD and sorry if I repeat things again :X
EDIT: By reading the help file of 7+ TT, it says in W10 it increases. so meaning this is not possible to have the same systray behavior like in Classic/WXP explorers
Post by powerplayer on Mar 22, 2017 20:57:12 GMT -8
OK bugs found 1 sound ahk script loads up just fine 2 ros explorer loads with its startmenu but cant load classicshell the startbutton ahk does nothing 3 the arrow on show hide items cant be removed stacking of windows does not work .
Post by Spitfire_x86 on Mar 23, 2017 5:36:02 GMT -8
powerplayer You have to start Classic Start Menu first with Win10 taskbar, then launch my script (I'll include automatic CSM launch in next update to avoid confusion)
XPde is abandoned since 2003. Also, one would have to somehow make it work with Windows. TBH it's not worth it, the ROS explorer works just fine as a taskbar - the only annoying thing at this point is the lack of tray settings.
Post by powerplayer on Mar 24, 2017 14:43:06 GMT -8
Actually somebody modded xpde further in 2004 linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Window-Managers/XPde-1786.shtml Maybe there is code there that can help for a completely new gui so we have a lean fast ui when microsoft forces more crap down our throat. Ros explorer is a GREAT project and hopefully the reactos team could adapt its code to make reactos more compatible seeing how they left their ui in decay. The clock seems to load timedate.cpl when clicking on it which is good maybe theres a setting for calendar view or we could just snatch the calendar from reactos?. I still cant get that startbutton to work , but classicshell is opensource why not add it to the taskbar and delete the uncommented ros code? (saves us from installing classicshell)
Post by Spitfire_x86 on Mar 24, 2017 23:36:19 GMT -8
powerplayer Are you sure that you have paths set correctly in the script? And you should start the script while Win10 desktop and Classic Shell are running (I should really add a step-by-step guide to the original post)
Post by powerplayer on Mar 25, 2017 13:57:03 GMT -8
startbutton ahk crashes the startmenu im using this tweak to get normal menus on regular 10 www.askvg.com/tip-get-rid-of-dark-context-menu-in-windows-10-taskbar/ but it does not work with ros explorer . i could need that step by step guide cause win10 even creators update messed up big time , you can no longer disable schedule service and expect taskbar to work and that sucks.
Post by powerplayer on Mar 27, 2017 23:49:30 GMT -8
Another interesting thing i came across , rammichaels blog shared the sourcecode of 7 taskbar tweaker rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaking-library , that and replace the startbutton to classicshell startbutton but inside ros explorer would be ideal for day to day usage
Holy crap I finally found a hope! I joined this forum just now because I found this. I am definatley getting around to trying this out but so I wont have to go trough a painful disappointment a question. Does Reactos taskbar have the thing with the multiple customisable panels like win 2000 and win XP?
because I resorted to picking up coding again after years of not programming anything since VB.net in an attempt to make at least one decent additional sidepanel with shortcuts and menus
(Heres yesturdays attempt but i ran into a problem where any maximized window slides underneath the panel, Thanks to you guys i now have some idea why that is) and even proceeded with learning my way around systems such as Emdedded standard 7 and 2009 (modular industrial windows systems) in hopes of maybe somehow switching or modifying the XP and 7/10 taskbar components for that extra bar on the side.
But even if Reactos dosent have that yet, hell. For windows 10, this is still much better than the default shell.
See only about 2 hours ago, I was putting together an embedded system when the two windows components Default shell and shell with custom shell support made me realize and remember HOLY CRAP! Custom shells for windows is still a thing! This got me searching for which ones are available and even trying one (Forgot what its called but a total piece of crap with pretty glossy transparent paintjob) Anyway, Reactos shell is on my list now but this got me already pretty deep into the idea of making a personalized distro, and I am installing it now and will be trying Reactos shell the first thing
[EDIT/UPDATE] (sorry for the rant, if i made it too late for the party or if this was already discussed in this forum. )
I tried Reactos panel from this thread (Worked on windows 7, screwed up my Windows 10 but thats ok) And i realized that Its not that i used the wrong type of form or missed a flag somewhere. This happens with both of the panels Explorer and Reactos. Windows Slide underneath both of them but one axis at a time depending on how much you strech the panels.
(Made them both transpatrent via ViGlance to illustrate my point) My guess is Windows in recent MS systems react only to having one bar because it wasnt designed to have 2 bars (which is a shame )
Because 2 bars worked great winth 2K and XP
This is what XP looks like with the same kind of setup. Every Maximized window always aligns with the edge of the toolbar. Would be useful to know how they did it. Because So far The Reactos taskbar is pretty much the closest replication of how that feature worked in XP, and its Actually useful to me even tho the panel cracks under too much pressure, thats understandable.
Is it possible to somehow replace the original win explorer in win 7-10 with one from XP with the multiple taskbars? I havent found what the name of the explorer packet is or if it even consists of more than one but i do know that in modern systems there are 2 shells that cant be together at the same time: the classic windows explorer and a Windows Powershell with custom shell support. Tried it out today on like the 5 custom shells that exist for windows and they all suck (Seriosly Reactos was the best one i came across. All others either had too much pretty glossy transparency slowing down my PC to a crawl or branched out from Unix systems and cant be customized on the go).
(Short introductory rant about me )? Anyway, Being a big fan of the classic theme (and having been made fun of for that ) I am really glad i found this Forum! I am more of an operating system tinkerer type rather than a coder but i always wanted to learn how to program graphic interfaces but never got around to it because i was too busy jumping through hoops that Linux systems constantly seened to put in my way (i used to like designing interfaces in different desktop environments geared toward someone who is working with a lot of content and needs to have convenient shortcuts avaliable without having to switch virtual desktops or something that might make a person loose train of thought of which folder he was going to. Like right now i am getting to know dependencies between different windows embedded packages, so like reading the help file to each one, then comparing to a different online manual, then switching to the program itself which also has several windows in it with lists of packets and configurations to them and like i need to do the whole switching to the right place without thinking about it so i am REALLY glad i found this forum where i might actually learn a thing or two about tinkering with Guis. (literaly nobody i know knows or cares about graphic UIs as much as i do).
Anyway Sorry if i flooded too much here, Ill now go and read this forum.
Post by Spitfire_x86 on Jun 12, 2017 21:31:02 GMT -8
cryptfs1066 Microsoft disabled the option to create multiple sidebars and floating toolbars in Vista, and then completely removed it in Win7. It's possible to use Vista/XP explorer.exe on Windows 7/10, but the start menu won't work and the desktop won't even appear.
Getting my scripts and ROS Explorer to work on Win10 is sometimes complicated and I'm not sure if it's reliable enough to use as a regular shell replacement. I didn't have time to make a guide or an automated launcher because of school, but summer holidays in Poland start at the end of this month and I'll finally have the opportunity to do it.
The name of the script is a bit confusing, too. StartButton.ahk sounds like something that needs to be started after launching the ROS Explorer. Actually, you need to start Classic Shell first, then ClassicThemeA.exe (or the handle method of enabling classic theme), then restart Win10 Explorer and finally launch StartButton.ahk.
1. This looks really cool, but would you be able to add some step-by-step instructions? Is this compatible with the automatic script for ClassicTheme? I'm not sure what exactly the other files are used for, or how to add the start button to the ReactOS taskbar. Rather than using the ReactOS start button and menu (Which has some flaws and no customization features), how can I get it to open up the Classic Start Menu? I would like to combine both but I'm not sure what exactly to do after running ReactOS explorer. Do the other files you included in your post need to be placed in certain places? Any help would be appreciated.
2. When I run the ReactOS Explorer, the taskbar shows two instances of "Windows Shell Experience." Any idea what that is?
soapmusic27: I have made us a Discord channel: discord.gg/9jtudv Also created a thread about it. I never knew what the Win10 2004 searchbar issue was until just now. For some reason, I am running 2004 with classic theme and the searchbar is unaffected
Sept 24, 2020 20:54:21 GMT -8
Splitwirez: Apparently the Windows XP source code has leaked. Keep your distance, folks.
Sept 25, 2020 0:41:12 GMT -8
ihatemetro: Splitwirez It was? Which Service Pack? To all people, don't use it for making Windows more Classic. Edit: It's SP1 I can tell, and any Windows NT OS older than XP was also leaked. Edit 2: Bits of Windows 10 source code have also been leaked.
Sept 25, 2020 5:36:43 GMT -8
Hayafumi: Well i'm even more scared when 7's will get spilled out on the internet.
Sept 25, 2020 5:38:56 GMT -8
ihatemetro: Hayafumi Oh no, not 7 or Vista. At least people can find a way to get Windows 10 drivers on 7 and still supply security updates, but still it's going to be illegal.
Sept 25, 2020 5:41:12 GMT -8
Hayafumi: Ah, well I will probably switch to 10 and setup Classic Theme or go to Linux pretty soon.
Sept 25, 2020 5:45:12 GMT -8
ihatemetro: Hayafumi That's not even all of it, Windows CE 3-7, Server 2003, and MS-DOS 3.30 and 6, as well as original Xbox source code have been leaked as well. Bits of Xbox one source code have also been leaked.
Sept 25, 2020 6:22:35 GMT -8
Hayafumi: Oh lord, this is the gigaleak like Nintendo but not really.
Sept 25, 2020 6:25:31 GMT -8
ihatemetro: Hayafumi I also saw a tiny bit of Windows 7 source code once too, but it's a tiny bit and not that important, from 2010. Can't tell if it's real or not.
Sept 25, 2020 6:26:55 GMT -8
Hayafumi: There goes another partition on my drive, gonna install either LTSC or LTSB on it.
Sept 25, 2020 13:58:39 GMT -8
ihatemetro: Hayafumi LTSB 2016 is recommended, it supports Classic Theme and has longer support than LTSB 2015.
Sept 25, 2020 14:14:20 GMT -8
Hayafumi: Is kinda of a struggle for me to make Pre-1803 because I can't get everything to start up, but i'll try again.
Sept 25, 2020 15:17:48 GMT -8
Hayafumi: Once again, i'm really new on Classic Theme +8
Sept 25, 2020 15:18:04 GMT -8
Hayafumi: Also, is a struggle finding LTSB 2016.
Sept 25, 2020 19:55:42 GMT -8
Hayafumi: I'm just going with 8.1.
Sept 25, 2020 19:59:41 GMT -8