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Post by plusdeluxe on May 24, 2022 11:49:24 GMT -8
I suppose it depends on your configuration, but I've had similar issues with Explorer relaunching after SCT runs when ExplorerPatcher is installed. I've set up Task Scheduler to run Explorer a few seconds after login, just long enough for SCT to run (with auto updates disabled to ensure runtime consistency). Despite my best efforts, the timing doesn't always line up because SCT's runtime is still somewhat variable, so I occasionally have to reset Explorer manually. Regarding SCT Taskbar, I'd recommend switching to RetroBar or some other alternative if you can't get SCTT to start up properly with SCT due to SCTT's close integration with the main SCT program. I have RetroBar run manually at login with Task Scheduler as well, a couple seconds after Explorer runs, because RetroBar (and I imagine other taskbar alternatives as well) runs into issues with Open-Shell Start Menu and maximized programs, likely due to RetroBar redefining the Explorer working area when it starts.
It's a real hack job of a solution for a problem that'll likely be fixed with later iterations of SCT and/or ExplorerPatcher, but I just thought I'd share just in case it helps you out.
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Post by anixx on May 26, 2022 22:28:56 GMT -8
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Post by ʇǝǝๅ ftw on May 27, 2022 0:11:57 GMT -8
Ok, first Gumball : One thing I'll say is: You should not post any issues here, as unknowledgeable or blatantly ignorant people will reply with either incorrect or useless answers here. (Definitely not calling out anyone here, would never do that.) If you are experiencing any issues, I'd recommend you post them on the Github page here: github.com/WinClassic/SimpleClassicTheme/issuesAs to your issues: This sounds like SCT is having trouble with loading SCTT, RetroBar or with killing explorer. I'd need to know what configuration you use to identify the problem better. This is not a bug, rather a design flaw. SCTT was designed to be launched and managed by SCT. You cannot manually open SimpleClassicThemeTaskbar.exe, you have to select SCTT in the options menu of SCT, and then Enable SCT to enable Classic Theme and launch SCTT automatically. Unfortunately SCTT is not under development anymore, so this feature will not go away. plusdeluxe : With ExplorerPatcher it's a whole different issue. This is just a bad line of code within SCT 1.6, which will be fixed when 1.7 releases. SCT tries to let ExplorerPatcher restart explorer (in order to properly shut it down) but ExplorerPatcher's restart command doesn't always start explorer back up. SCT 1.7 will restart ExplorerPatcher, fixing this bug. The first part (issues with Open-Shell) is incorrect, RetroBar should work fine with it. The second part is something that has bothered me for very long. RetroBars code to change the working area is terrible, it hides the normal taskbar by setting auto-hide on. Then it tries to set a new work area by registering itself as a toolbar and then it displays itself where the normal taskbar would go. SCTT does this way better: it fully hides Shell_TrayWnd, making it inactive. It then forces the new working area onto the system, and then it displays itself just outside the new working area. It doesn't inform any apps that the working area is changed, but that resolves the conflict of multiple apps trying to change the working area. I still don't know why RetroBar uses the first method to this day. Lastly, anixx: Firstly, SCT just is more advanced and offers more functionality. Secondly, your method involves creating sketchy batch scripts which some people just don't want: they just want a simple program like SCT. Lastly, no one here asked about that method. You keep mentioning your Classic Theme method forcibly everywhere on the forum and it sickens me. You're only confusing people more with everything you post: if someone has a broken setup, they aren't helped by using another sketchy method which will break stuff even more when used in conjunction with what they already have. And I can't state it enough: no one asked, so there's no reason to mention it here.
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Post by anixx on May 27, 2022 0:39:11 GMT -8
Firstly, SCT just is more advanced and offers more functionality. Secondly, your method involves creating sketchy batch scripts which some people just don't want: they just want a simple program like SCT. Lastly, no one here asked about that method. You keep mentioning your Classic Theme method forcibly everywhere on the forum and it sickens me. You're only confusing people more with everything you post: if someone has a broken setup, they aren't helped by using another sketchy method which will break stuff even more when used in conjunction with what they already have. And I can't state it enough: no one asked, so there's no reason to mention it here. There are no bath scripts in that tutorial definitely. The AHK script is optional and can be used with SCT as well. The people here mentioned problems with Explorer not starting and also that they have to use RetroBar, which is definitely limited in functionality compared to Explorer.
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Post by ʇǝǝๅ ftw on May 27, 2022 1:49:01 GMT -8
There are no bath scripts in that tutorial definitely. The AHK script is optional and can be used with SCT as well. There's indeed no bath scripts, but there is like 7 tasks which is basically a batch script in disguise. My main point is that it's completely incompatible with SCT. SCT doesn't support this taskbar at all (only in some unreleased alpha builds) and will not support it in the future. My vision for SCT is replacing the bad functionality within Windows, not patching Windows to look good but with a million bugs. Redirecting users to your own Classic Theme method on a thread asking for help with the taskbars provides by SCT is, in my eyes, unnecessary. Explorer not starting is a bug within SCT (actually with ExplorerPatcher, but that aside), that has nothing to do with your Classic Theme method at all. Using RetroBar was just a slight derailment from the thread, but is still relevant as we're talking about SCT here, not Classic Theme in general. I really don't mind if you suggest new users to use your Classic Theme method, in fact, I encourage it. But don't go on all threads even slightly Classic Theme related to brag about your tutorial and how it's better than everything else.
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Post by ʇǝǝๅ ftw on May 27, 2022 4:40:36 GMT -8
Yes: Open SCT Click File Click Options There you can select Simple Classic Theme Taskbar under the Taskbar Type combo box
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Post by plusdeluxe on May 28, 2022 9:19:16 GMT -8
Thanks for the clarification ʇǝǝๅ ftw . Looking forward to SCT 1.7
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